police shootings of unarmed teens

Our law differs then maybe.... I said "slap"....not strike him that it may wound or kill. You always need to observe the rule of "flexible response" imho.
As I said I completly agree if someone has a weapon and threatens police, they have the right to shoot then (here).

@ bronk7: Can you put up 2 or 3 links for yout case. I am not familiar enough with it.

I was also surprised by someone saying "selling loose cigarettes"... is this an offense in USA?

 

ever hear of a place called Ferguson? the recent shooting in LA where the 'homeless tent' man, with prior criminal activity, starts going unarmed close combat on the cops! did you see him swinging/attacking??!! the case I brought up here-- Tony Robinson, ...we had a case here of a poor girl driving a car shot by police...poor innocent girl...o, she was driving a robbery getaway car trying to run over the police,
Rodney King! with King, the others in the car did not resist and were fine..King, extreme speeding, could've killed innocent people!! the police just didn't pull him over for nothing...then they did the right thing, they tried to taze him..the cops were doing everything right, correct??
Eric Garner --OMFG-31--THIRTY ONE priors! do I really need to explain this? they weren't trying to kill him..just restrain him, when he resisted...
someone please tell me, why some can't understand, if you resist arrest, you will get hurt?...it's not a movie...it's not like magic where the police say ''let's use plan 3a to take him down''...it's dynamic...the majority of the cases where certain people riot and protests, are bulls&^...

 

Is this was so, the police reactions were ok imho. I do not know enough details, but if yours are correct I will happily agree (if they attacked police or resisting).

 

Once an assault begins it becomes subjective - the victim only has to "fear" death or injury. If he slaps you, might he not then take your gun and kill you? Is he bigger or younger than you? Perhaps he will beat you to death.

Think in terms of women who shoot rapists. Should we prosecute them because rape isn't life threatening?

In the end, all of us, cops or not, are responsible for the preservation of our own lives. The law recognizes that. If you don't want to get shot, don't attack anybody.

 

It's the kind of thing that would get you ticketed. You can't stand on the street and sell things. I can't imagine how such an infraction escalated into the guy being put into a choke-hold.

 

@ bronk7: Thanks for the link but must jump out now, seems I still have offline live somehow

@ KodiakBeer: Agree with your post. Well you need a "license" to sell things in a business, but not for selling some cigarettes to someone. If you have a truck full of cigarettes and sell them without license then of course you are in a lot of trouble here too. Maybe these are also not taxed than even more trouble , government does not like to loose tax money

 

It's a minor offense. The key point is that such sales evade the tax on cigarettes. New York City, for example, has one of the highest if not the highest tax on cigarettes in the US, so criminals will buy them in bulk in a state with lower taxes, smuggle them in, and sell them to street dealers and ultimately to low-level distributors like Eric Garner; same basic system as the drug trade. Apparently it's very profitable for organized crime.

Of course it's even more profitable for someone who steals or shoplifts the cigarettes.

It also evades the prohibition on sales to minors. Stores have to check identification on anyone trying to purchase tobacco who appears underage.

So the government has a legitimate interest in prohibiting street sales of "loosies".

 

My friends father-in law became a cop for 1 reason. He hopes he has a chance to shoot someone. He enjoyed killing so much that he re-upped for 2 more combat tuors after he was supposed to go home. Rich A. in Pa.

 

Resist arrest should come with a mandatory jail sentence regardless of the initial crime...its disgusting.

 

I've kind of joked, and don't take this wrong, that it should be a law, you should get your a&& kicked if you resist arrest..I would think, most of them do get time, especially those that flee in cars....
RR, can I get a little more detail on that post?

 

In most places, resisting arrest is a misdemeanor offense which doesn't require incarceration, but does not prohibit it. Jails are full most of the time, and the turn keys (jailers) would rather reserve space for those who desperately need to be in custody than those who just p1$$ off the police. You'd have to have jails the size of Texas if you put people in jail for everything that they need to be put in jail for. That's what "curb side court" and "tune ups" are for. But with the proliferation of cameras in everyone's phones these days, the "old ways" are falling by the wayside.

 

I thought this would be right up your alley....the media portray the police as always wrong no matter what they do....sometimes they are, but not always, and not every time....I'm for justice and what is good, --along with proper conduct on these forums also...

 

An unarmed man does not necessarily mean he is not dangerous. Just read an article about a policeman shooting an unarmed naked man. But if you read the article, it states that the unarmed (yes black) man was delusional, running around banging on doors and charged the policeman. What is the policeman suppose to do in this case? Easy to say "oh he should have tased him" but we are talking about split seconds here. If he already has his gun out, no time to pull out the taser before being attacked. Yeah, slapping a police officer does not warrant being shot but if you charge an office, then by all means get your butt shot at. A while back here in Cleveland where you had the teenage boy brandishing a play gun on the responding police. He was shot. I don't apologize for not feeling sorry for the kid or anyone that does stupid things. I support the police in these cases. Yes, there have been cases of unwarranted excessive force being used. Prosecute them as it should be. Well no body cams are being purchased for use and the police are all for it as a protection for them. Again, it boils down to this. Don't commit any crime and don't threaten the police.

 

It is screwed up.....

 

I agree wholeheartedly with USMCPrice. Frankly, this president acted completely inappropriately when he said his son would look like Trayvon Martin. He was weighing in on a divisive, ongoing court case and clearly favoring one side over the other, something an official should never do. Would his son look like Sgt. Jamal Rhett, killed in Iraq? http://projects.militarytimes.com/valor/army-sgt-jamal-m-rhett/4748453
Or maybe PFC Errol Milliard, killed by an RPG in Afghanistan? http://projects.militarytimes.com/valor/army-pfc-errol-da-milliard/6568479
All of the race-baiting today, especially in politics, disgusts me and disheartens me for the future.

 

Let the punishment fit the crime.