On a side note, I heard that National Geographic predicted that, if birth rates (or lack thereof) remain constant in Europe and across the world... Europeans will have totally died out as a race by the year 2960... Yup, the Turks will inherit the earth
The Europeans have lost what they built there nations on, Christianity. I heard only 5% of Europe is still Christian. This can be partially blamed on the handling of the Catholic church, or the fact that Islam is coming in.
It's got very little to do with Islam in Europe, Moslems are still very much a minority. I would be interested in hearing where that statistic came from, importantly perhaps whether it refers to active Christians, those who still consider themselves Christians or those who are outright not Christian. There is an important difference, and a lot depends on the question asked.
*Sorry, stated wrong It says only 10% go to church on a weekly basis & 21% think that Christianity is a major role in there lifes I got this from the Levitt Letter
Another imputation, where did I say somethin´ against jews ?? Nowhere! When did I say that german is the superior culture and we have to kill all others and to attack our neighbours ?? Nowhere !! Personaly you´re nerved smeghead, saw that in the thread dealing with the "unknown holocaust". You just start writing, what you think is right, you try to get a morally higher position [...]Sieg Heil to you too[...], so you don´t have to discuss with other users, perhaps you know that you´re going to lose. Additionaly I want an excuse from you, for suggestions ! Regards, Che.
smeghead write " Who drives the cabs? Who does the overnight shifts? Who does all the shitty jobs? " Weelll , here we come to the brutal truth , massive third world country immigration exist for producing squeezable labor , with fat margins it pay for all those tertiary employed " service sector " white collars attending " workshops " and their fat retirement funds . a generation is selling the farm to pay for their selfish comfort , lets point the finger on the archetypical culprit went to uni were he, she learned undergraduate politics during first semester at the uni bar from a lifetime assistant , those theoretical rantings will remain graved uncritically in her , his skull for the rest of life as gospel she, he will turn up for life in some office in a public administration surrounded by like minded people , an excruciatingly dull conformity is imperative , political correctness is mandatory , every month she , he will check the growth of the retirement fund , and whinging that its impossible to found a good ( cheap ) plumber . all the time talking of "basic human rights" and " international obligations " they will not breed , kids are such a nuisance to a carreer path ! underneath the poncification it's easy to discern the contempt and hatred for the normal joe blow , who acttually get his , her hands dirty for a living anybody but the white worker is excused , understood , apologised for , put in a socio-economic context . they are the modern days ennuchs of the seragio , running the palace , ruining the country Paaahhhh :angry: :angry: :angry: .
I remember reading somewhere that the Turkish immigrants in Germany are the ballast in the balloon of the German economy. Poetic, but apt. Of course, that related to West Germany, and was before the reunification with East Germany.
Maybe I am nerved... Or maybe I simply don't agree... Why? Do you expect me to write what I think is wrong So long as its PC and agrees with you it should be OK... What is it you want to discuss? I don't recall avoiding an argument, I simply don't agree with the suggestion that is it the immigrants who are the 'ballast' in the balloon of society... They do alot of work, and you get scum in every community Do you consider yourself to be in a "morally higher position" then? Islam is an entirely different culture, and we view it from a Christian perspective...What do you suppose we do... Go and tell them about feminism and womens lib and hope they give up genital-mutilation and burn their hijabs? Its not going to happen...I certainly would feel offended if someone told me my culture was barbaric, and as far as I am aware many Muslim women are proud of their culture and actually consent to such 'barbaric' treatment because it's their religion, and they have lived with it all their lives... The fact is Che, it isn't illegal to wear a hijab... And it isn't a crime for a woman to be subservient to a man, even in Christian societies many people do it by choice... So as far as I see it, it is fine for these women to do so, as they are simply abiding by their culture... When they are forced to do so against their will, that may become deprivation of liberty (a minor crime)... And then the problem is with the law and its enforcement, not with the religion of Islam... When you get beatings, rapes and murders of women (as happens in all countries, not just Muslim ones), that is a legal problem... not a cultural one... You don't blame the Church when a Christian commits murder... And you shouldn't blame Islam when an immigrant vandalises property... Much like the Turkish experience in Germany, when an immigrant commits a crime it is in the realm of the Law, the court will rarely allow inherited cultural beliefs as a defence, and even then the effect will be very minor... As I said to you in the 'Holocaust' thread, it is important to separate legal issues from cultural issues... Hate the crime, not the people...
If someone would tell me my culture is barbaric I for one would be ready to agree (my friends tend to call me a caveman ), agreeing that his culture is less barbaric is something that would require a bit of proof though. Although I agree with "Hate the crime, not the people", there are the odd cases where the "crime" is supported by the religion or the nation. In such a case it's nothing short of fair to take the nation/religion at least partially into the equation. (I said "crime" because by one party it would be considered a crime yet the other side doesn't see the problem)
lol, I was looking for the word "nervig or lästig", I think "cumbrous" is th right word^^ But I´m glad that you were pleased to read my mistake. hmm, of course every community get scum, however it should be metioned that 77 % of all crimes were committed by people of forgein origin in berlin. The BKA (Bundeskriminalamt) said that forein teenagers are quadruple involved in heists and triple involved in outrages in comparsion with their german contemporaries in whole germany. Thats a fact ! http://www.bka.de/pks/pks2004/index.html You will understand it with this example: A room with 100 people 70 german and 30 turkish Out of this 70 germans, 30 commit a crime, for example rape or murder Out of the 30 turkish ones, 19 commit a crime like rape. So it seems that more crimes were commited by germans then by the other ones, but the percentage of forgein people´s are much higher and that is important Forgein people are useing social welfare with 8,4 % thats triple of what germans get 2,9 %. No. Yes, that can be, but if they are livin here, they have to give up those disgusting ideology. Or should the free world be conform to a cruel and inhuman point of view ? Yes some, but not the majority and you should consider that what they think about their women is same what they think about women in europe. And if they´re modern women they are without honour, coz they show to much skin and have to much sex with different people, all in all in their eyes these women are no humans and they can do with ´ém what they like. It´s the symbol for a cruel system and it´s against human rights to be subservient. No, coz if the culture create a image, that women are only to be subservient and have no rights, you can imagine what this means ... you don´t know the situation in germany no I hate the people, who commit the crime and you should do the same. Young german girls were forced to have sex in mass, by these animals http://www.2xfun.de/view.php?file=3249#item Regars, Che.
You're right, I don't know the situation in Germany... I've never even been there... However I watch Detchewella, and I have some Iranian freinds who used to live in Hamburg.... But mostly I'm just communicating the situation in Australia. You might not know it but we have very similar immigration **problems** to Europe, mainly Asians instead of Middle Easterners... We have exactly the same stories in papers about foreigneers causing trouble and being very rude to girls....Also AFAIK Australian Law is extremely similar to EU Law, though perhaps a bit harsher, so the comparison is quite legitimate... Yes it is important, but a larger percentage of auslanders are also in the poorer rungs of society... Crime is more prevalent amongst the poor, therefore it makes sense that auslanders commit more crime per capita, since the poor are largely foreign... Yes, they are living in your country... And I imagine they have to abide by German law... Tell me if I'm wrong but German Law does not forbid Islamic beliefs and it does not enforce equality to the extent that any form of gender subservience in forbidden... Being rude to women is not against the Law either, though perhaps it should be... It depends how much you're willing to balance saftey and security with personal freedom... And just how the hell you're going to enforce such a Law... Maybe it is... But no German or international Law forbids it... So unless Germany is willing to ban such Islamic practises (like the French did with the Hijabs) then theres not alot you can do about it... Thats people in the collective sense... What I mean is I hate the individuals who commit crime... If a Turk commits a crime I do not automatically hate all Turks That site looks to me like the equivalent of tabloid garbage I didn't even get to see it because my screen was spammed with popups, so forgive me if I doubt the credibility of the source... The bundeskriminalamt site is however good... thanks Is it an official government webpage?[/quote]
As an Asian,my viewpoint is that when europeans or westerners wants to push their viewpoints to us just because it is in their law or even in their culture...it is quite distasteful.Punish the criminals for all i care. But to call one's culture barbaric shows a lack of understanding and even ignorance. Anyway Smeg,no offence, but i had an australian friend who once told me that should all the asians stop working in Australia,a large percentage of Aussies living on welfare would suddenly find no money in their pockets
Thats what I said in my first post in this topic By highlighting immigration as a **problem** I meant to imply that it is not a problem at all, in fact is is a good thing...
Smeghead, it seems to me that you equate your being "born" in a former East Bloc country with having a rosy-tinted, leftist view on everything... How much have you travelled and seen with your own eyes, felt with your own body? Remember, the Internet doesn't count. The lefty idealism you display doesn't work in the real world... unless your idea of a world to strive for is one of poverty, corruption, and low living standards. I agree with Che, in moderation, and ONLY IMMIGRANTS WHO COME TO DO HONEST LABOR. Do away with the crap and have a "One Strike You're Out" policy--- if you come to a nation and don't abide by its rules, you don't deserve to live there. Norway has the same problem with African immigrants, a MUCH larger percentage of them commit crime and sins than Norwegians... "it isnt our country, we just come here to piss all over it and steal what we can" mentality... bringing a bit of Africa with them, perhaps. I've had it up to the neck with crime, naive lefties, communists, hippies, leeches, laziness and all other bullshit. :x
That explain his behavior in the "Unknownholocaust-thread" and his attempts to relativize russian atrocities. Regards, Che.
Aren't you the guy who loves the Waffen SS? If you have anything to add to the conversation beyond the occasional offensive jab I suggest you post it in the appropriate thread... Former Czechoslovakia, Australia, Greece, Italy, Singapore Thats none of you business sonny jim And just what would you know about any of those things? Clearly something very special, so I hope you wouldn't mind if I asked... If you can find one thread where I've said illegal immigration is a good thing your post might be forgiven for seeming more like a personal attack and less like civilised discussion... But you can't... I was under the impression that we were discussing legal immigration, not whether we should just open the flood gates, which you mistakenly take me for... If you can read beyond your own opinion of yourself, you'll notice that my arguments tend to discuss what is legal and what isn't... Kicking someone out of a country for his crimes is legal, and thus fine... kicking a cultural community out of a country for the actions of a few is not legal, and is thus wrong... For someone who knows so much abour crime your approach of "get rid of the poor immigrants and there'll be no crime" is laughable at best... History has repeatedly demonstranted (take British/Dutch Penal Colonies) that eliminating the poor element of society DOES NOT eliminate the crimes they commit... It simply leaves a gap in society for more people to fill... If you weren't so naive yourself you'd know that in any society, someone has always got to be poor... It doesn't matter if you kick out all the poor blacks, as you suggest... Their social positions will just be filled by whites, put out of jobs due to the absence you create by elmininating the poor... The REAL solution is social development, though as of yet crime is something which is a given in any community... YOU Panzerman, are never ever going to get rid of crime, no matter how many posts you make on internet forums... Now you clever hard-working loyal citizens may not like it, but if you go ahead and kick all the poor people and the immigrants out of your country... You'll be filling their jobs James
