Russian Navy "On Verge of Collapse"

Hey, that is interesting.
How does Russian lay down/ commission times compare to other navies?

 

Your comparing rocks to apples...

 

Hard to do but using submarines of similar displacement.

Ballistic Missile submarines : 14,000 - 18,750t

Borei class - Latest vessel 105 months

Delta IV - around 46 months

Triomphant class - 120 months for last, 129 months for first.

Vanguard class - 82 months

Ohio class - 1st 64 months, 6th 45 months, 14th 58 months.


Nuclear attack submarines : 7,400 - 11,800t (Chose only these 3 as all three classes are low production numbers)

Yasen - 240 months 9 days, 2nd boat is speculated to be 78 - 89 months (Listed as commission date 2016, No month given) however launch to commissioning date does not tend to fit in with the normal time frames (average 3 years vs 1 year given for next Yasen class)

Seawolf - 74 months

Astute - 114 months


Diesel/Electric attack submarines

Improved Kilo class - As low as 30 months

Collins class - 77 months for 1st

Harushio class - 50 months

 

1. Ever wondered why...?
2. Not every story. This "story" is quite simple and seems to have only one major player = the midget dictator in Kremlin.
3. You must be day-dreaming...
4. Maybe not 100 %, but close enough
5. Sure - and all the people in Krimea wanted the Russian annexation too...

1. My family members were fighting against the evil invading soviets. In no way was the communist army the "good" side, since the communists were at least as bad as the fascists = same sh** in different baggage.
2. Not true
3. The SU attacked at least Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Finland during WW2 - and was getting ready to attack Germany (but was late), so can't see much wrong in his statement.

It might be, that Ukraine falsifies evidence too, but still they are a distant second after the Russian falsifying - starting e.g. from MH17...

A little over 200 years, to be exact. And even after that they were a small minority for long.

Abt 100 years ago the Tatars, who have been living there abt 770 years and suffered several persecutions after the Russian conquest in 1783, were still the biggest single ethnicity in their home country, Crimea. The Russians did not became the majority of the population of Crimea until the Stalin's pogroms against the Crimean Tatars (and Germans) in 1944, when all Tatars were deported from their ancestral homeland.

The Tatars were only able to return after the collapse of the SU, only finding their homes stolen and their history destroyed by the invaders, the Russians.

Since then the Russian (and the Ukrainian) population had been sinking and the Tatar population growing until the criminal annexation of Crimea by Putin. The true population share of the ethnic Russians in 2013 was just over 50 % - and diminishing...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Crimea
http://www.iccrimea.org/scholarly/jopohl.html

Crimea is no more "Russian" land than Finland.

 

Now who´s the boss that disappears for eleven days to get botox and f*** his ballerina in the middle of the crisis. Who says he did not vanish because he feared the army would take his place? So far Putin has not explained. Or did he concentrate on the government stats books like Jeltsin? Liquid ones....

 

Perhaps that is some kind of tradition. Stalin has disappeared too when the USSR was attacked.

 

Some of the things mentioned in the article referenced below took a while to sink in but I think deserve a little bit morer attention.

First of all as I previously noted this is in essence an opinion piece. Indeed no sources are given for their claims many of which are suspect on their surface. Let's look at one of the more glaring ones:

Notice that they refer only to the opinions of some unknown "European officials" as being sufficient to refute the claim mentioned. Indeed they don't even clearly state the source of the claim or even exactly what it was (it could for instance have stated as many as 50 tanks or even just 50 armored vehicles) nor do they state any sources for "rmashackle armored vehicles". Stating that there was no evidence for the former is not something any reasonable analyst will do though. Nation states tend to be very careful of what intel data they make available. So the case that the claim was based on intel unavailable to the "officials" is one that should be addressed in some form.

Then it goes on to say:

Yet on numerous accounts I've seen there are references to troops in Russian uniforms usually sans Russian insignia.

There's also an issue with how the troop numbers are being stated and counted, indeed what area is being considered as close to the Ukrainian border isn't even clear yet issues like this are completely glossed over in the haste to make the political/propaganda point that is desired. The article also is written in such a way as to imply it's a US vs Europe thing. From all I've read there are at least some in Europe that fully support the US position.

 

So what were they then, Brinks Mat security bloody vans?!
...

 

I saw a short document on Osce personnel checking the tanks and other vehicles. The separatists had tried to cover the Russian identification marks by their own metal plates. and also tried to rub the production numbers away, but the OSCE guys just laughed that they can pin point with the number series where the vehicles are from...

 

Wasn't someone saying not long ago that everything was fine with the Russian economy?
This article certainly takes a different view:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/a-year-into-a-conflict-with-russia-are-sanctions-working/2015/03/26/45ec04b2-c73c-11e4-bea5-b893e7ac3fb3_story.html
It also correctly points out that it isn't all due to the sanctions:

It also points out that Putin is now blaming the sanctions for his problems.

Some of what's in the following has been reported there before but some new info at the top:
http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/russia/articles/20150402.aspx
in particular:

Sure doesn't sound like everything is "fine" as some suggested earlier on this thread.

And it sounds like the world bank is even more pessimistic in regards to the Soviet Russian economy.
http://www.rferl.org/content/russia-economy-decline-world-bank-report/26932261.html

And here's an article relevant to the status of the Tatars in the Crimea:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/02/world/europe/russia-shuts-down-tv-station-serving-crimean-tatars.html?ref=europe&_r=0

 

Man, that evil dictator Putler..........he censors the media !!

OOPS, my bad, it´s actually KIEW that does that: :

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/ukraine-verbietet-filme-mit-positivem-russlandbild-a-1026924.html

So in pure western/US tradition, the governour of the US in UKR does a good job


Ah and US senators lobby to take football WM 2018 from Russia:

http://www.spiegel.de/sport/fussball/fussball-wm-2018-us-senatoren-wollen-russland-wm-entziehen-a-1026782.html#ref=plista

:flag_USA_ww2:

 

Thanks for the link. The article is in German language. Let me translate the tittle of that article:
"New law: Ukraine bans movies with positive presentation of Russia"
This is the issue where western democracies should react, not that ridiculous "Pussy Riot case".

 

In this topic I have learned that:
1. Either the western propaganda is really powerful
2. Or individuals deliberately parrot propaganda to make shame easier to swallow.

 

When the OSCE personnel will start checking tanks crossing the border of Yemen?
Or Yemen navy is also at verge of collapse?

 

I have more later

But this "PUSSY RIOT" was ridiculous right ? Some of the most weird things I ever heard, right ????

They were arested for public undressing showing their asses and tits and devalued churches among other weird stuff, and then somehow claimed they were fighting for women ("femen") and got arrested because of this ?? I can´t remember the complete story, only saw some disturbing footage from these "riot girls".... (like stick things in pussy etc.)

Btw. another crazy "femen" get bar breasted in the KÖLNER dome...... guess what .. she was arrested. And later fined, but fine was a bit too low imho.

 

I don´t have info about Yemen, cause have other more important things to think about atm. Does Yemen has a navy at all? And is Yemen also an evil dictatorship (I don´t know)...?

Btw. checking tanks..........you mean like the supossedly Russian tanks that crossed into UKR ? And people later found out that these pics were actually from Georgia 2008??

 

Yemen, has/had several old Soviet/Russian patrol craft and some newer Aussie & US coastal patrol boats.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/yemen/navy.htm

 

Yes, Pussy Riot was wrong. But they were punished too extremely.

 

But elevating that minor event to such level is pure propaganda. Just compare that to the Siege of Waco -- That was harsh.

 

"Yemen navy at verge of collapse" was just sarcasm. I wanted just to say that many prople will die again for interests of oil industry. The whole thing will be presented as "protection of democracy". Can you imagine this: "Saudi Arabia fights for freedom and democracy"????