Someone recognize the tank on picture ?

107th Panzer Brigade - Commander: Oberstleutnant Berndt-Joachim Freiherr von Maltzahn ( Red Hair )


Formedrdered to form july 19th, 1944 from remnants off the 25th Panzergrenadier Division which was destroyed during the Russian Bagration offensive of 22 June, 1944... Mostly stragglers, convalescents and new recruits. Formation completed sept 15, 1944.

Composed of:


2107th Panzer Battalion
1 Staff Platoon
1 Panzer Flak Platoon
3 Medium Panzer Companies ( 12 Mk V each )
1. Leutnant Von Brockdorff-Ahlefeldt ? after co wounded 1st day
2.
3.
1 Panzerjaeger Company (12 Jagdpanzer IV L70) -

2107th Panzer Grenadier Battalion (5 half track companies)
2107th Brigade Support Units
2107th Pioneer Battalion


Arrived Venlo, Holland Sept 17, 1944 late evening. Attached to General Obstfelders LXXXVI Korps. 1st Falschirm Heere. In response to operation Market-Garden.
Initially engaged at Son, Holland against the 101st Airborne, to releive elements of the 59th Inf Div. and some SS Police troops at the Son Crossing. Attack started September 19, 1944 am witht he addition of a battalion of Paras. At the Wilhelmina canal they encountered the Irish Coldstream Gaurds at tea. bypassing the gaurds they advanced to the Son bridge. Attacking the 101st was a disaster.. numerous vehicles destroyed and out of fuel, many casualties. Bloody, bitter fighting retreat though Helmond followed. vs elements of 101st and British 11th Armored. Helmond bridge was blown at the last moment sept 21st. brits 11 armored attempted to flank over the Zuid-Willems canal at Someren Sept 21st. Hereford battalion was decimated, Sept 22 releived by the Shropshires. the brifgehead was too small for the unit to stand in shoulder to shoulder so they had to be fed in piecemeal. this led to a tough fight for the town of Asten ahead..
250 german prisoners taken there. at the same time the monmouth battalion was for fighting for Liessel, destroying a Panther there an 2 88s Sept 23. Sept 25th German Cavalry charged the British tanks of the Monmouths at north Brabant and were wiped out at full gallop approaching the british tanks. All these battles have been up against the Paras screening the 107th.


September 21st 107th had pulled out from Helmond and moved to attack Veghel with a batalion of the 180th inf div as part of KG Walther... ( paras stayed at Helmond )
MAJOR COMBAT at veghel. Tank and Panzergrenadier battalion Commanders killed and 4 Panthers Knocked out in a 2 day slugfest involving british and americans, tanks, artillery and fighter bombers.

Battlegroup ordered to retreat and form a bridgehead over the Maas at Venlay and Overloon along the line :Boxmeer/Oploo/Twist.

Sept 25,26 near Oploo. SE of Helmond. at the village of St. Anthonius 2 107th Pzgrn Halftracks which had been part of the reargaurd shot into the british held town and killed colonel Silvertop Co Royal Tank Regt and Colonel Orr co Monmouthshire battalion. during the engagement 3 tracks were destroyed of the 5 track reargaurd detail but the 2 which fled thru anthonious escaped.


check the graves registration at St. Anthonius to see if your trooper was in one of the 3 destroyed halftracks... i think youll solve your mystery.

the rest of the month the pzgr batt covered the road from Oploo to Overloon.

So if yer guy was killed in September he would have died at Veghel or St. Anthonius. If it was St. Anthonius then he is a part of a Historical chain of events. you only have 6-8 days to research.. Sept 19 to 26. and the destruction of 3 loaded tracks was probly the biggest casualty loss in 1 place of the fight.




Fate: Disbanded and intergrated into the KG 25th Panzergrenadier Division on 5 November, 1944.

 

http://members.aol.com/dadswar/7ada.htm ... 1944-11-04

7th armored division website - tons of links...
http://www.lightinfantry.org.uk
Check the Durham Light Infantry Cameronians ( scottish Rifles ) were in Lottum in Nov. of 44.. they may have some detail


http://www.btinternet.com/~ian.a.paters ... tm#Belgium

7 A.D. battle reports for the area.

 

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Possibly a typing error but the D.L.I and the Cameronians were two individual regiments.

 

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cameronian territorial battalion in the DLI

 

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Very interested in this link as I have mate who was there with the DLI,
which battalion of the Cameronians would that be? I know the 9th Batt. Cameronians were with 46th.(Highland) Brigade ,15th Scottish Div. and the 6th,8th, 9th.batt's DLI were 151st Brigade, 50th Northumbrian Div. and the 10th and 11th Batt's.DLI were in 49th (West Riding)Div.
Would be very interested in more info please.

 

yer next on my list =)

 

P.S. Lottum is about 2-5 miles NW of Venlo.. that wouldve been the location of the Feldpost or field hospital most probly. and the unit detrained at Venlo an moved on.
think this is what ya want on the events leading to his death - Ill look for the rest of the info tomorrow

 

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http://www.lightinfantry.org.uk/guestbook/arc_dli.htm

heres the link i dug that up from.. problem was i got it off a search engine an cant find the quote - had to right click to read it. from the looks of it though the 9th

both the 51st highland and the 15th Scots were in the area but my battle described the cameronians an i think that was 51st. Check the november 28th Scottish disaster at Broekhuisen as a point of reference.

 

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If this is the bit you found then they were the Scottish rifles not DLI.
<p>I'm looking for information on the rifleman Robert Turnbull number
: 3863491 who served on the 9th Bn.,<span lang="en-us"> </span>Cameronians
( Scottish rifles ) and was killed on 28th November 1944 in Lottum/Grubbenvorst
in Holland .</p>

 

The next entry shows the DLI were not the Cameronians.

<p>REVISITING THIS GREAT SITE. STILL WANTING INFO ON TRANSFERS OF DLI
LADS TO THE CAMERONIANS AFTER D DAY, NEED TITLES OF BOOKS OR HISTORIES
WITH THIS SHOWN, THEN HISTORY OF CAMERONIANS THROUGH VILLERS BOCAGE
TO KIEL GERMANY AND THE END OF THE WAR. IF ANYBODY OUT THERE SERVED
WITH BILL CHARLES FROM BIRTLEY, PLEASE CONTACT ME, THANKS AGAIN. JIM,
NH, USA PS THANKS TO KEVIN STOREY FOR HIS HELP IN GETTING ME IN THE
ASSOCIATION.</p>

 

yup - point being ?

Im a little off focus. I know that the 7 armored fought in the area and used a camerion unit to support it. that unit belonged to the 51st or 15th Scots.. but Im really vague =(...


I was just trying to provide some detail to give him a research reference.

 

Just clarifying the point.

 

It's clear.... yet another shining example of how little i really do know =)...

 

Great info - thanks again


I have to wait about 3 months for a answer from the WASt but I do know the next after I received some Feldpost.

The Obergefreiter wass wounded at 22-10-1944 and died in result of these wounds at 24-10-1944.

 

hmmm 10-22... that was a quiet time on the front... nothing but a few patrols and some artillery. odds are he was hit by a barrage. the germans launched anoffensinsive on the 26th and the bit constellation offensive had ended on the 19th i think. he wouldve been treated at Oirlo most probably - that was the aid station in the area.

 

Can you please explain to me what "aid station" meens.

 

means a mobile hospital. soldiers wounded in the battles were taken there first and treated, then moved to more advanced hospitals, it was very cold and extremely wet that month so the conditions wouldve been pretty brutal for a wounded man, and transportation was shut down totally.. odds are his wounds wouldnt have killed him if he couldve been evacuated sooner.

 

I'm impressed !

This kind of info is the info I'm looking for.

Contacted the Internetsite of the town Oirlo already and found out that there is a book about a town called Veulen in ww2 this town in the oirlo area.

They mansion a German Camp in town Veulen so something to check out.

Will drive to Oirlo also next week to find out some more things about the Germans in Oirlo.

If you have more, don't be afraid to write

Thanks again, I really appriciate it !