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The End of Empires

Discussion in 'Military History' started by SOAR21, Apr 28, 2009.

  1. TiredOldSoldier

    TiredOldSoldier Ace

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    The revolt that had it's final act at Masada was a key element in determing the Roman policy to destroy Israel as a political entity, which was done by deporting a great part of the population as slaves, rather than attempt the more usual policy of assimilation and (up to a point) tollerance of local customs and beliefs.
     
  2. urqh

    urqh Tea drinking surrender monkey

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    You are not only on your "high horse" once again, you are incorrect once again.

    Someone mention horses for courses?

    I think the Grand National had been running and open to any nationals for over 20 years previous to the boaty thing.
     
  3. Heidi

    Heidi Dishonorably Discharged

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    this race/cup was name after queen victorica,it was re- named (which you have mentioned) America;s cup cause the Americans won it one year.

    australia finally broke the 150 years usa choke hold on the cup in 1983 or 1989,i juste can't remember.(i am leaning towards 83)
    There was no need for america to change the name of the cup after winning it.
     
  4. GRW

    GRW Pillboxologist WW2|ORG Editor

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    That might have been after I threw my normal tantrum about "historical accuracy" and changed channels......;)
     
  5. GRW

    GRW Pillboxologist WW2|ORG Editor

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    I usually only swear at the telly during Old Firm games. A lot.
     
  6. urqh

    urqh Tea drinking surrender monkey

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    Got into book room...Found it...they call it Watling Street, but as you say, how could they possibly know, as it has never been discovered as to where the battle took place...

    My bet though goes on Stoney Stratford....anyone got a metal detector...
     
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    I remember a programme on telly a couple of years back which claimed to have found it; they used the landscape descriptions in contemporary texts to pin it down to a horseshoe-shaped valley in the Midlands. Can't remember where it the hell it was though.
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    Ah, found she-http://paulerspury.org/content/view/18/49
     
  8. Stefan

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    I apologise, read it as 'to weaken the empire to such a point that it could be sidelined.'
     
  9. Devilsadvocate

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  10. Sloniksp

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    The end of WW1 definately contributed to empires vanishing almost overnight.

    Austrian, German, Russian, Ottoman.....
     
  11. urqh

    urqh Tea drinking surrender monkey

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  12. Stefan

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    True enough, but the dismantling of the Empire was listed by certain Americans as being among their wartime and post war aims, feel free not to believe me as unfortunately I can't find the source (I believe it was Kissinger talking about US foreign policy over a 50 year period) but if I manage to dig it out I'll let you know.
     
  13. Devilsadvocate

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    Oh, I do believe you, and quite agree that there were numerous influential Americans during WW II who had as one of their goals, the "dismantling" as you put it, of the British Empire. Roosevelt was probably the foremost advocate of this idea, but others certainly conceived of the idea as a desirable outcome of WW II.

    But the demolition of the British Empire was only a possibility because the British Empire was, by that time, nothing but a crumbling shell of it's former self.
     
  14. wtid45

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    Urqh nice to see you can display a sense of humour that our American cousin, and I use the term loosely in his case seriously lacks. And I WISH HE WOULD BE HONEST AND TELL US ALL WHAT THE HELL US BRITS HAVE DONE TO PISS HIM OF SO MUCH BECAUSE AS YOU RIGHTLY STATE THATS ALL HE SEEMS TO WANT TO DO.If you liten to DA us Brits have never achieved anything be it ww2 ww1 or basically ever, I dont bang on about the Americans turning up late for two world wars do I:rolleyes: BE NICE IF HE COULD GIVE US CREDIT FOR SOMETHING:eek:
     
  15. Devilsadvocate

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    Oh, I am not, as you term it, "pissed off" at the The British. In fact, I'm of British ancestry myself, my father's family having emigrated from Ipswich just prior to the English Civil War. If you were honest you would have to admit that I give the Brits credit where credit is due. Your statement that I never give the Brits credit for anything is demonstrably false. I do, however, refuse to buy into the Anglo-centric myths you frequently attempt to pass off as history. If you have a disagreement with any of my positions, why don't you do the honorable thing and post your arguments, supported by factual data, rather than just accusing me of being anti-British because I disagree with you?

    As for "coming late to World War II", we didn't. We entered the war when the Axis attacked us and declared war against us. Prior to that, we were giving more aid to Britain than was appropriate for a neutral, even though up to that time, the war was a European issue which the Europeans themselves had neglected to the point that it had gotten out of hand.
     
  16. urqh

    urqh Tea drinking surrender monkey

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    Mancetta, small village near Atherstone on A5 near Warwick??? Thats from Great battles of the ancient world, the book that accompanied the computer battle series where guests fought ancient battles with computer aided design on BBC few years back...you must remember that series Gordon...Good sereies, lousy strategists...

    But for anyone interested in all things Empirical


    Roman Emperors - DIR--De Imperatoribus Romanis Roman History Roman Roman Empire Imperator Basileus De Imperatoribus Romanis Encyclopedia Byzantine
    Forum Romanum
    Livius. Articles on Ancient History
    The Roman Empire
    Kidipede - History and Science for Kids - Homework Help for Middle School
    Hannibal Barca and the Punic Wars - www.barca.fsnet.co.uk barca
    Romanarmy.com - A history, archaeological and reenactment community - Home
    The Romans in Britain - 100BC to AD450
    15 Ancient Greek Heroes from Plutarch's Lives
    Digital | Attic - Warfare

    Last site includes the text of Sun Tzu's Art of War....Not that we need that on here do we chaps...
     
  17. urqh

    urqh Tea drinking surrender monkey

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    Perhaps you would avail us of some of these anglo centric myths that we on here pass off as history, rather than setting a homework task for another member DA, it is you that is charged with being anti British not for wltd to go off on a fruitless task. If you have a list of these anglo centric myths that have been put on this site by members please let us all see your findings.
     
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    In defense of my warm beer drinking limeys' :D, Germany declared on the U.S. on Dec. 11th 1941, U.S. landings in Africa occured only one year later (Nov. 8 42').


    Please dont hate me. :D
     
  19. urqh

    urqh Tea drinking surrender monkey

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    No one hates you Sloniksp. I dont like some Americans and some Americans dont like me.

    But thats the same for Bulgarians too. And I only know one Bulgarian..so sorry Bulgaria

    This aint about yank bashing. But glass houses comes to mind where versions of history are posted on any site including this one.

    If a Brit was to come out with some of the stuff I've seen on here from one poster we would be accused of American bashing....I was a few years back. And made me leave the site in disgust.

    I wont be leaving again.

    Wtid, certainly doesnt American bash, we both have too many Yank friends on here for that, and I have too many off cyber space for that.

    But as shown in this pic, I k now of one group that is vehemently anti usa, sort them out for goodness sake..
     
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