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The Great Patriotic War: 1939-1943

Discussion in 'Eastern Europe October 1939 to February 1943' started by Comrade General, Mar 18, 2018.

  1. Kai-Petri

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    What liars the Russians are. Making a pact with Germany they cry when they are betrayed. We know about Winter War and in Decenber 1940 Molotov went to Hitler to ask for another attaack to Finland which Hitler declined. Go to ******
     
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    Comkrade General and Tamino NEVER speak bout anything else than Winter War. you are talking about the pact with Germany or not. You should be judged in Nuremberg for staritng the war. The USSR attacking Finland? How dare you?????????? You did.
     
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    Mr Tamino,

    who were you fighting against 1939-to June 1941? If it is Great Patriotic war? Dates and countries,please?
     
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    What was your nickname for Finns? Tsuhna. Can you say it in english or not. I can. So you try. We killed 200,00) Redd army soldiers in winter war, we lazy non-working Finns. Good for YOU. oh. Sorry you sent Ukrainians to die for YOU.
     
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    First: I aint no Russian.
    The USSR was fighting against the Nazi turd and their footman countries, which are essentially the same kind of stuff: ordinary scum.
     
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    Are you talking about: "Treaty of Non-Aggression between Germany and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics"? That wasn't a Pact. There were many other treaties at that time. Why should we exaggerate just this particular case And deliberately mischaracterise it. What about the Munich Pact among the British Empire and the Nazis? Should they be put on trial in Nürnberg too?
     
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    Ah, these Russians!

    There are even greater liars: these who supported and fought for the Nazi scum and suddenly, in 1945 have turned into moral victors against the Two Tyrants.
    Please, first sweep in front of your own door.
     
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    Actually, it was a Pact. Pacts are not legally binding, treaties are(not that that means much). However, the two terms have become synonymous.

    Germany or the Soviet Union were not about to go before a World Court to say that one or the other had broken the secret protocol.
     
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    In Munich the Soviet "lawyers" were hit in the head of the secret protocol of molotov ribbentrop treaty. So they knew nothing of that. However the USSR took what was in the writing. Half of Poland, the Baltic countries and Finland. The fact the Ussr had created the Terijoki government and claimed it was the only official government they will discuss with proves the peace negotiations were utter waste of time. Also Russia has accepted the responsibility of shooting the Mainila shots which were used as the reason to start the war. Also there was a symphony made for conquering Finland.that is Helsinki. The pact also caused that Germany stopped all the help shipments throuh it to Finland. Mussolini was so mad that he threatened to go away of the iron pact. The same wth the Japanese who after Germany's pact with the USSR considered Hitler a traitor in the fight agains the Russians. During 1940 Finland asked help from Germany but got nothing.and like said planes and other material was stopped in Germany. In december Molotov wanted t have another go to invade Finland but this time Barbarossa was made and Hitler wanted Russia to do nothing more as he planned sending troops to Lapland trough Finland and SWEDEN. As he did.
    But the pact was the key to start the ww2 as Hitler needed his back securedt. The pact did that. If the Germans were accused of helping startthe war so were the russians. No pact, no war.
     
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    No, you took half of Poland, fought the winter war which is again a minor battle in the Finnish border. One million Red Army soldiers. Minor to yo? Took the Baltic countries. Sending loads of trains to Hitler with fuel Sept 1939 to 22nd june 1941. The nazis took all just before the Barbarossa begun.
     
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    Interesting. You made a pact with Hitler where europe was divided between the two of you and try to look like an innocent matushka but Stalin and Molotov inside the doll.
    How about you sweep the whole house, front door is not enough anymore.
     
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    All these territories were possessions of Russian empire and it is legitimate right of Russia to regain them, regardless of the means, including war. Remember, Russian and German empires had a common frontier without anything separating them. There were no these entities at that time - some other empire donated these territories without asking Germany and Russia for consent.
     
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    If the Ussr had not accepted the Ribbentrop pact no Ww2, no holocaust. Hitler needed the pact. Is there any meaning to you? Only gaining land?
     
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    But you really love Russians, don't you. Of course, they are also responsible for the bad weather this December in Europe because cold winds come from Russia. We must do something to stop this Russian interference. Does this sound logical to you?
     
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    I don't think we can say a lack of Nazi-Soviet Pact would prevent either the Holocaust or a Second World War. At the very least the Final Solution would take place in Germany, Austria and Czechoslovakia, so possibly a 'smaller' Holocaust and I can see Hitler going to war in 1940 or '41 at the latest with all that follows. The West/SU might be 6 months to a year better prepared, but so would Germany so its a crap shoot if the war is easier or harder to win.
     
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    In 20th century the fate of the Jews in Europe was sealed in each and every country, well, exept perhaps just two countries. Hatred was so great, whether we are prepared to admit that or not. Deserved or not but real. The Germans and Poles weren't alone, just the largest perpetratots among all.
    However, the Jews weren't the only victims of ethnic cleansing, even not the largest. They just branded it with a H-word and became exclusive owners of the victimhood. An ultimate act of well orchestrated propaganda.
     
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    The usual Russian term for Finns, Estonian, north Karelian is "Tsukhna" a lazy worker, a non-doer. The Russian fm warns Russians for using this shameful old word in visiting Finland. If you went to the USA or the UK would you call them all lazy? Unlike Finland?

    Btw do not forget the Jewish doctor assassination attempt against Stalin prepared Stalin himself. A massive ethnical cleansing but Stalin died first.

    So bad memory or not giving a "****"?
     
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    It is ridiculously childish to complain about profane people being profane. That's what they are. Avoid.

    But also, let me recall you that Finns swear more than any their Nordic neighbors or Central Europeans, reaching the same level as Scots or Russians.

    Regarding swearing Finns are at the same level with Russians. I know that, I have met quite a few Finns. They swear a lot.

    Finnish hate words for Russians are ryssä or neukku.
    Swedes call Finns "finne", which means pimple in Swedish.
    Slur "Pekka" is used by many Estonian and Russian immigrants in Finland. They think that every Finn is "pekka" and that they are jerks. Also known as "suomalaine pekka", which means "Finnish Pekka".
    Also, Poro is Finnish for reindeer
    Next: they are known as "Russian Swedes"
    Albino Peltonen
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    But what does this have to do with the Great Patriotic War?

    Please, behave like someone who claims to be a MD.
     
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    I always thought the f-word people swear the most? Want a hint? The sedond word is u.

    Also the swedes use finnish words as their sjutton is so weak. If they need to "let it all out" or the f-word.

    The USSR promised free elections to all eastern bloc countries. What did they get. Socialism

    The peace treaty 1948 between Finland and The Ussr said in case the other country comes to help. The original paper YYA said that the USSR will decide the time. Finns noticed this and the deciding country was after that Finland.

    Typical Russian betrayal. If Russia had decided the Red Army would enter next week.

    Just like thee USSR took power in the small Caucasian countries. Starting a communistic movement in one country, who requested help. And surprise the Red Army would enter the country. Simple. Who cared? F nobody.

    And still the great patriotic war started June 1941, not 1939 or is Winter War suddenly back to the major wars?
     
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    On the first day of the invasion ( Barbarossa) the Red Army comprised some 5.5 million men. Yet by July 1 when the first phase of mobilization was complete, the Soviet Armyd forces numbered 9,638,000 men. Only 3,533,000 of these were at the front in the committed armies and another 5,562,000 were concentrating in the military districts ( a further 532,000 were designed for the navy). In july the Red Army added thirteen new field armies to its order of battle and fourteen more in August. In September there was one new army, in October four and in November and December eight, making a total of forty new Soviet armies in just six months.

    Kiev 1941 by David Stahel
     

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