The Worst

Hi Bratwurst, watch Ernest Borgnine in movies like: The Vikings, The Wild Bunch and The Dirty Dozen, you will change you mind about him and his McHales Navy series.

Roles listed as the movies are above, he played a Viking King, an ex-Cavalry turned Desperado and an AMerican Army General.

[ 12. November 2003, 03:01 PM: Message edited by: C.Evans ]

 

And not forgetting his excellent thug alongside Lee Marvin in 'Bad Day At Black Rock'....

 

Your correct Martin, Bad Day At Black Rock was a good movie. I finally saw it about 3-4 months ago.

Also had, Robert Ryan, Lee Marvin, and Spencer Tracy in it.

 

All right, I might give the video shop a try, althought the local block buster is a bit sadly lacking in the "classics" department...

BTW, I think the last time I saw a show with EB in it was the Sci-Fi movie "The Black Hole"... can you see why he's not in my Academy nominations list this year? ;P

 

"Apocalypse Now" and "The thin red line" were long and boring for some people who expected watching a war film John Wayne-like with humourous dialogues and attractive battle scenes. But those films were not about that. Films that were not made for propaganda nor box-office purposes... they're completely artistic, the complete opposite of what the people expect. You must be in a very special mood to watch them and once you do, you just close your eyes and listen (just don't close your eyes much because you'll miss the excellent photography and good battle scenes). Those films don't give a damn about the war, whether it is Viet Nam or Guadalcanal, but how combat destroy a man's soul and what ordinary men think and change because of so much blood and losses.

If you want to see an accurate historical war film, watch "The longest day". If you want to see really good battle scenes, watch "Saving Private Ryan" or if you want to watch American heroes saving the day, watch "U-571"... NOT "The thin red line", because it's NOT a WAR film, but an ART one.

 

Yeah, movies really have glorified the killing aspect and taken away from the heart of war itself which is sadness and confusion. War films are made to sell not to inform as are pretty much all movies these days. There are the few though that do do some justice to the war. I'm sure that some will be released sooner or later in time to overcome the negative impacts.

 

Hi Bratwurst, Aw c'mon, The Blackhole was'nt that bad. Its a Disney movie. Anyway, at least the villian was a good choice--Maximilian Schell.

 

no it wasnt tobruk i was thinkin about that was in the 60s this one with george peppard was about 1979 . cant remember what it was called it was something like escape to victory except it wasnt as that was the football one with micheal caine etc..it also had the german bloke from the magnificent 7 horst borshults or something like that..........ud know if ud seen it...........it really sucks

 

I'm not familiar with any war movie with Horst Buchholz (SP?) in it. Can you give any more details?

Are you possibly thinking of "Escape To Athena?" by any chance? This movie had Telly Savalas, Sonny Bono, Roger Moore (as the German Officer) and I forget who else. Oh and William Holden was in a cameo in that film.

[ 17. November 2003, 04:40 PM: Message edited by: C.Evans ]

 

Well I watched U571 earlier today and guess what, we have a winner folks!

 

Aw come on..u571 wasent THAT bad...

 

yes it was ! the acting sucked and historically it was incorrect........should of been a British crew not American

idiots !

~E

 

Ok ok ok ok ok ok (said like Joe Peschi), as an Australian, I have to draw the line here:

U-571 is a nasty piece of work although the scene with the destroyer at the end was quite stunning

[ 18. November 2003, 02:44 AM: Message edited by: BratwurstDimSum ]

 

The acting was abysmal, the graphics were not bad but the plot was rediculous. Actually by the end I was hopeing the depth charges would get lucky.

 

My highlight was Jon Bon Jovi getting hit in the face by a piece of US Sub as it got blown out of the water, and launched 100ft horizonally into the water! All time low was "Hudson" waving to the young lieutenant to "go and take the boat" as he drowned...pathetic.

[ 18. November 2003, 03:50 AM: Message edited by: BratwurstDimSum ]

 

I guess you haven't watched "Terror on wheels" or "Wheels of Terror" (something like that). It was AWFUL! Bad actings, bad script, even worse uniforms and only a good battle scene (even if they had what looked like a Jagdpanther on the chassis of a T-54)...

The only good thing about "U-571" were the visual effects. The depth charging was very realistic and nice (from the outside). Nothing can be compared to the depth charging viewed from the inside portrayed in "Das Boot"!

 

'...Winning their freedom meant brawling and womanizing their way behind enemy lines in a stolen tank on an impossible mission ....'

It's Sven Hassel's 'Wheels Of Terror', Friedrich. I bought a video of it out of curiosity for 50p and you're right - it's cr*p !

The straight-to-video film was a 1987 European production 'starring' David Carradine, Oliver Reed & Bruce Davison. As you say, the vehicles, scenery and equipment are OK, but as for the rest of it.... baarrrffff !

 

I know it's Sven Hassel's book... (That's why I haven't read it) (If it's as good as the film)...

 

LOL!

U-571 isn't the worst movie, simply because the sound engineer (at least on the DVD) did a pretty decent job.

As long as there is ANY good in a movie it's not the worst.

Comapred to this, Italian movies on WW II's African campaign from the 1960s are hard to beat: They are at least ten times worse than the actual performance of thier soldiers showed there in the 1940s.

Cheers,

 

An often-used saying about movies over here is "It's so bad, that it's good again." Meaning: All the mistakes make the movie somehow charming and funny, at least amusing. "Plan 9 from outer space" is a good example, as are movies of the kind you mentioned, like "La Battaglia di El Alamein".

But U-571 isn't funny or amusing in this way. In fact, this is the kind of the movie made WORSE by its good sides, because this proves that nothing else mattered to its makers. GOOD effects, yeah! EXPENSIVE equipment, yeah! FAMOUS stars acting, yeah! EVIL nazis, yeah! But no suspense, no clever plot, no sense, no creativity - only lie propaganda, incredibly dull clichees. It's void, vain, soulless.