USSR Declares war on allies after berlin?

Y'all really wrecked this thread....

 

QFT

 

It certainly seems like that did. lol

Perhaps you should move on the original point.

 

There was a third atomic bomb. It was awaiting shipment to the Pacific when the Japanese finally threw in the towel and surrendered.

 

Hitler was an aggressive man ,Stalin was not
the Soviets controlled half of Iran and I think that UK nearer to Moscow than Egypt or India ,Anyway the Soviets will invade also this countries (China,Mongolia,India,Afghanistan and Iran) , I do not know what USA will do to deal with that,in my opinion (USA&USSR) will need 40 million soldier to this asian front

 

However many of the Soviet divisions were at 60% of authorized strength or less. The western allies had more non divisional troops as well I believe. The US by the way had around 100 divisions by itself (91 Army, 6 Marine).

 

However it's airforce was optimized for low level combat and would have been at a dissadvantage when it had to come up and play with the USAAF at higher altitude. Then consider the limited quantity of no longer supplied high octane fuel. As for the supply lines being very short that is hardly the case in fact they stretched back into Asia. The western allies were also much better and faster at building roads and railsroads to support their troops as well as having more logistics assets in general.

The size of the Soviet Union might well work against her here. Initially the western strategic airforces wouldn't be able to reach any significant factories or cities (except for occasion B-29 atomic drops) so they would likely concentrate on the closer and arguably more vulnerable Soviet log structure, supply dumps, troop concentrations, and air fields.

Turkey would likely stay out of it until it was clear who was going to win and maybe well past that. The Turks had enough problems of their own. Of course much the same could be said of both the Soviets and the west. I doubt a single leader of any of the major countries would have long survived a war such as this in power if at all.

 

the US had the strongest air force in the world ,that is fact but USSR is a vast country and the strategic bombing will not affect USSR like Germany,
(my information about USSR fighters are not good)but The B-29 was soon made obsolete by the development of the jet engined fighter plane such as MiG-15, in 1950 numbers of Soviet MiG-15 "Fagot" jet fighters appeared over Korea (an aircraft specifically designed to shoot down the B-29), and after the loss of 28 B-29,future B-29 raids were restricted to night-only missions, so with USSR mass production ,B-29 will not be effective(without atomic bombs)

my point was USA depended on the war equipments shipments and its supplies from homeland to Europe and Asia across the Atlantic and pacific ocean and that distance did not compare with soviets internal supply lines

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He means that if say if 50 soviet tanks are produced in Far-Eastern Yakutsk and while being moved by train to the west, some Allied bombers make it through and strafe/bomb a large section of railroad. How long will it take to repair? Quite a while.

The result? Those 50 tanks you need are delayed 3 weeks.

 

And let's not forget the need for avaition gasoline used in Soviet high performance fighters. According to PAW (Petroleum Administration for War) figures of 1943, 95% of all the United Nations' aviation gas (this includes the Soviet Union) comes from the U.S., and 65% of the USA's total overseas tonnage for war is devoted to carrying oil and POL.

Another shocker-statistic: in the continental U.S. one well has been drilled for every three sq. mile v. one in every 526 sq. mile for the rest of the world. And we had invented and perfected the production of tetra-ethyl lead additives. We shared the product, but not the production methods with our allies. Just as we supplied the Soviets with penicillin itself in freeze-dried form, we didn't share the deep vat production method of production.

 

you seem to forget about the nukes. Shipping two "little boys" to Europe and dropping them above Moskow would be a matter of days. A dozen lost bombers maybe, plus about 10 000 allied soldiers holding the line. and then...BOOM

 

I don't think anyone has forgotten about that, except maybe the initiators of these types of threads

 

can I ask you what is bomber type? and from where will take off to reach that location ?

 

Indeed. That was part of the point I tried to make and which left you with question marks below. The size of the Soviet Union and the fact that many of it's factories were out of reach would mean that the strategic air forces of the west (Britain also had a significant strategic air force) would be directed at targets they could hit. These being supply dumps, the logistics network, troop concentrations, air fields, and such. Especially since the soviets had a rather limited log network this would likely pay dividends much quicker than attacking factories.

But they weren't going to be major players in 45 or even 46 and in any case the western allies had jets to escort the bombers.

But the US had a huge quantity of cargo ships which the Soviets would not have been able to interdict and moving supplies by sea is actually easier. Much of the rather fragile Soviet log network on the other hand was within easy reach of allied strategic and tactical air craft. Furthermore much of the Soviet log network had relied on LL during the war. Look at things like truck production, locomotive and rail car production, even rail production in the period from 43-45 and you'll see that LL was a huge factor.

 

Would it be fair to assume that had the USSR attacked the Allies it would be a surprise attack?

 

All of this speculation leaves me wondering. The Allies have close to 100 divisions worth of captured German soldiers sitting around in POW cages in the UK, France and North America. From my experience in knowing more than a few of them while growing up, I can safely say that the vast majority of those German POW's would have eagerly signed up and fought with the Anglo-American cause to rid Western Europe of any Soviet inspired invasion, or occupation. That, in fact, was their most fervant hope.

They would need but a few weeks to organize into divisional units, plus familiarize them with US weapons, equipment and battlefield tactical practices and they'd be good to go. Add some German speaking US Liason officers to aid in communications and the process is streamlined even more. To take it one step further, the Allies could also fire up the German tank production lines in the Ruhr and Skoda works of Czechslovakia and begin turning out Panther's, Hetzers, Sturmgeshutz's once again as their main battle tanks and tank destroyers, not to mention trucks and half tracks for their support vehicles. This would quickly jumpstart the shattered German economy, while making it much easier for them to convert back to the production of civilian goods once the war was over.

The bottom line is, as soon as you throw in 80 or more divisions of reconstituted and highly motivated, professional German troops into the mix, using a mix of both US and German weaponry, the game would be soon over and the Soviets would soon be back on their pre-WWII boundaries, or even further east than that.

 

In one sense neither side (east or west) would believe the other would be so incredibly stupid so probably. On the other hand both were suspicious of the other so maybe not.

 

ok,I agree with you in some points,but let us take Germany as example the strategic bombing against Germany was not so successful as I know , big part of it turn to bomb cities to reduce Germans morale,so the money and effort which spent in strategic bombing did not equal the damage that western allies wanted


the both countries had their advantages and weakness like:

1-the Americans do not accept a high numbers of casualties in any war
2- the big US National Debt which was 30% of GDP before WW2 and became 129% of GDP after the WW2 (even today the debt reach 80% although the economic crisis)

and UK was not better
on 10/12/2007the UK announces it is last payment of WW2 debt(LL) to the USA

3-USA had an atomic bombs which could end the war in seconds before I end my wor....

the Americans and the west chose the economical war against USSR that was the clever way for them to win.

 

America only had 2 nukes both used so it would have taken a while to produce more. Putting us and the commies on a basicly level ground for awhile.
"Americans will never accept socalism unless under the guise of liberalism",Unknown