(Interviewer – That’s a different deal. Ok. Let’s go. We’ve been through three; let’s go to your fourth.) Ok the fourth time was the time I went to the salt mine. (Interviewer – Where was the salt mine?) Well I’m not sure exactly. It’s a town called Teutschenthal, which is rather a small town. I’m not even sure if it would be on the map. A detailed map of Germany it would be. (Interviewer – Was it between, was it over towards Torgau?) Yes it was east. West of Torgau. Perhaps 20 miles west of Torgau and along the same rail line. (Interviewer – And that’s right on the Elbe River? Yes right along the Elbe River. They had a monument, kind of like a little obelisk. We could see it from the inside of the camp. So I asked one of the guards one day, I said “What is that?” He said “That marks the geographical center of Germany.” I said “For crying out loud, nothing like sticking me right in the middle.” Geeze we could see that inside the camp. (Interviewer – Did you ask to go to the salt mine?) Well I changed my identity with this guy, Jim Whitrick. I changed identity with a man by the name of AC Brown. I changed my identity with a man, well when I was on the jump, on the evasion before I got captured. I travelled under the name of Henri Lurcan and Jan Lauwers. They were two Belgians and they told me that these people were actually dead. The Germans didn’t know that they were dead. So I was travelling under their name. They were real people. And then in the camp I became AC Brown. I became James Whitrick. But the funny part of it is the US Air Force, whenever I filled out a piece of paper for security clearance; I always had to list these aliases. And I didn’t the first time. The first time they stuck me out on a flight line in Turner Field in Georgia. We had to fill out the paper, you know, and I didn’t put that down. And they came back at me. They knew. (Interviewer – So what did you do? In the salt mine, what did you do?) Well when I got to the salt mine, there were two levels in this mine. The upper level was called Cally salts. It was red and from it the refined Bromine. That’s one of the Halogens, Chlorine, Fluorine, Iodine, well there’s five of them. One of them when I studied this in school, they hadn’t discovered the fifth halogen at that time. Bromine and of course there’s all kinds of different applications for that. The lower level, now we were 2100 feet down. The lower level was another 1400 feet below us and they were called the selenious salts. That was the table salt and it was grey. It had this dirty grey color when it came up and they had to wash it and clean it and make table salt out of it. Also from this Cally salt they, after they got the Bromine out, that was the red, then they refined chloramagnesium. That’s a fertilizer. It was in a liquid form. It would settle out and become a solid. It was very, very solid, dry and then they would break it up with a jack hammer and they would grind it into powder. Put it in bags and ship it out. That was the three products. Now when I got there, they put me on the surface. I wasn’t down in the min. This Bromine, they called it the Brom. That was the section I worked in and that is where we packed the bottles of Bromine into wooden boxes. The wooden box were about that square (about one foot) and about that high (over one foot) and they had a u-shaped line of them. About four high. We put four of these bottles, these chemical bottles, two liter or something like that. They had a glass stopper. They had putty over the glass stopper and a piece of paper over the putty and string. And they tied it up around the neck of the bottle. Well the oil in the putty would soften this paper. We put four bottles in there. First of all, we put about that much (about 3 inches) of this very dusty dirt, down in the bottom of the thing. Out four bottles on top of that. Filled the rest of it up. We made sure that that far from the edge of the thing and from each other. Filled them up and just before we put the lid on this, we would run our hand across there and break the seal on every one of these bottles. This paper that had been softened up from the oil out of the putty. Well of course, somewhere on down the line, somebody is going to tip one of these things. Turn it upside down and all the Bromine was going to run out of it. Well one of the..we were loading a car with these boxes and one of them apparently spilled some stuff and I remember the guard saying “Stinkin, Stinkin.” You know what he’s talking about. They were smelling this Bromine. It has a pungent smell and they didn’t investigate to find out why the thing…(Interviewer – You had done that on purpose, to sabotage?) Yes. Yes. Now the chloramagnesium was in paper bags. And we were loading cars, freight cars with it. We would load it all the way up with these things. As each level of bags, before we put the next level of bags on it, we would go along, get a piece of stick, it looked like a piece of broomstick and one guy had this and the other guy did not, so we grabbed the top of the bag. It had an ear on each side. We grabbed the ear of the bag, stuck this thing behind the bag and the other guy grabbed the side. We pulled it up that way and that’s the way we threw it into the car. Well of course just before we covered that pass up, we went ahead with this club and busted open the bags. So when it got ready to unload those cars, they had a mess on their hands, I’ll tell you. Did you ever see the device that they used, the cigarette and the book of matches? (Interviewer – No I don’t think so?) Take a book of matches, you light a cigarette. You stick it through there. Pt down the cover of the matchbook and throw it where you want it. Well of course the cigarette burns and burns and when it gets to those matches, shoom and up it goes. That was another thing we use to throw in the chloramagnesium things. It would get down, on down the road, for crying out loud, they would be 15 to 20 miles down the road before the dog-gone car bursted. (Interviewer – They never caught on?) No. (Interviewer – Was the place run by German civilians or?) Yes and they had a lot of communists in there. They were in there for punishment. They had a lot of French POW’s. Some Poles and the rest were British. (Interviewer – How many prisoners would be working in the mine with you guys?) Probably 150. (Interviewer – Any German civilians in there too or?) Yeah the communists were German civilians. (Interviewer – Oh they were.) They were there for punishment. (Interviewer – But no non-punishment people?) No. Of course the supervisors. They guys that told you what you had to do. They were all German civilians and they weren’t communists.