What if Spain had joined the Axis?

Irrelevant (BBC,ha,why not NOTW,or the History Channel?)what we need is a proof that Gibraltar would be useful for the Germans .

 

They might not have to invade though. If Franco asks the US for aid before any wars are declared US troops located in the Canaries could help insure Spanish neutrality and if the Germans attacked insure that they didn't become a German base. US troops along the Franco Spanish border would also be a trip wire. It might not stop the Germans but it could provide the impetous to get the US in the war. Spain would then become a "tar baby" for the Germans for the rest of the war.

 

And the hundreds of other pages and historians who claim its strategic importance.
Im still waiting for your list of historians who have "debunked" Gibraltars strategic importance.

 

What possible aid could the US supply across a full Ocean against over 100 Divisions and a mass of airpower?
That's even if we contemplate the ridiculous chance of Franco asking for US troops and the US even providing them.

 

???? Are you at all familiar with the history of WWII?

Is it? If Spain wanted to stay neutral asking a neutral power or powers for help is an obvious tactic. The US could easily provide token forces as well as equipment and supplies for the Spanish military. Some of the Latin American countries might consider helping as well for various reasons.

 

A full ocean huh? Damn, The whole Atlantic, You Yanks would be stuffed. Would take you guys an Entire! weekend . Those 100+ German divisions, how many of them where in a position to get into a war and how willing was Germany to bring the US into a war over Spain and the arguable value of Gibraltar? The Germans would back down quick smart.

 

Name one

 

Off the top of my head a small force from Canada, UK, USA and possibly South Africa (not mentioning any possible Latin American nations). That there is a full bore Army rather then a token force.

 

The importance of Gibraltar has been discussed in the What If Section :yes or no,Germans take Gibraltar.
British Empire knws it ,because he participated (post 60)

 

I could name hundreds but here is three to start with.
James Finlayson, Jurgen Rohwer, William Jackson.

Right now name me the ones who say Gibraltar was not important.

 

Very familier I just wish you were.
Now tell me what was the most Division that the US put ashore in a seaborn landing?

A token force to face 100 German Divisions?

 

South African Divisions where rather busy in Africa and much of what the Canadians had was in the UK awaiting a German invasion.
As for the US if they manage to land 3 Divisions at a great push in the face of massed Axis airpower and 100 Divisions what do you think the prospects will be?

 

Strange then that they did not back down a year later when they had 150 Divisions deployed in the East.
So we are back with 3 Divisions v the German Army.
Why do you think FDR did not even contemplate this?

 

I could name hundreds:haha,and as usual :I can only name 3.

Quotes of these people where they are saying that Gibraltar was very important in WWII?

 

No problem as soon as you name me one historian that has said Gibraltar has no strategic importance.

 

You asked me to name you one, I gave you three.

 

Thank god you are not in the army, You suck at tactical command if you think Germany would put there full 100 divisions into Spain. Hell Let the Germans do it, British could land a single squad in Belgium and go for a stroll into Berlin and take Hitler alive =).

While South African divisions may have been occupied why could the Canadians not be utilized? If it appears that Germany is making a push for Spain any competent political leader and military strategist would see the merit in tying up Axis forces as far away from them as they can.

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Except that when that happened he then had Japan on there side and Japan had just gained a massive victory. They both knew there only chances where to split the US forces, If it was just Germany against the US it is highly unlikely they would have pressed for Spain, Hell Hitlers own advisers would be telling him to step back.

 

I will give you two :Smith and Jones :as valuable as your claims that these 3 sais that Gibraltar was important.