What if the Holocaust didn't happen

I've read through this thread and I still fail to see the point in it.

 

I think that if the Nazis would not have triggered such a racial persecution, they may have offered even a harder resistance to allied determined advance, though many resources poured in the final solution could have been used to fight allies advance and toughen industrial power.
Maybe if the Nazis did not perform such brutal racial policy, they would have been praised for their militar genius and not condemned for their killing fanatism.

 

I think the Holocaust was bound to happen, sooner or later. Sometimes we forget the incredible depth of antisemitism in Europe in the early twentieth century. If it hadn't have been Germany and Hitler it certainly would have been someone else.

If it hadn't have taken place during the war, Germany would have been helped immensely. The amount amount of effort expended on the murder of 5 to 6 million people was enormous, and believe it or not, this effort was given priority over the war effort after 1943.

As to the formation of Israel, and the partitioning of Palestine, this had been in the works since 1917 (see Balfour Declaration).

 

If the holocaust did not happen, I reckon Germany would've been able to unleash even more hell upon Europe.

Firstly, there was obviously the increased manpower at the German Army's, air-force's and navy's disposals. Also, had the Nazis not gone on a Jew-killing rampage, they would possibly also have a great number of designers, architects, scientists, doctors etc, who's knowledge they could use to try and defeat the allies.

Secondly, the stuff used to kill Jews (and others) such as the wood used to make barracks, the metal used to make fences, the bricks used to make crematoriums etc, would've been used instead, to fuel the war-effort. The coal used in the transport-trains and what-not...if the Jews were never killed, then all these resources would've been put to use in actively battling the allies...

 

I can't think of a way Nazism could have worked without it's inherent anti-semitism.
Anti-semitsism can exist without Nazism, but vice-versa?

Perhaps anti-semitism is the wrong term, maybe 'anti-someone' is the phrase I'm looking for. Nazism requires an 'internal' enemy, a bogeyman, someone to persecute.
A holocaust, whether of primarily Jews, or another demographic, seems inevitable to me from an ideology like that.

Cheers,
Adam.

 

Oooooooh.......Anti-Someone-ism.......?

Bingo !

Yes, yes.....find someone to blame for (it/anything/everything), unify, mobilize, and make a career out of, preach a manifest destiny about, and you have a cause/justification (albeit lame) for an indeterminable (whatever you want it to be) length of time, and (any) imaginative agenda you wish to propose/invent. hundred year reich

yikes !

VP
I tried to "ding" yer rep, but it wont let me.

 

Yes Adam, agree completely!

 

I've refrained from joining this thread because it is a topic that is very sensitive. The exchange of ideas here are quite varied and admittedly, sometimes heated. At least we all agree it is a very passionate theme. In my country, it's not generally discussed since it happened in Europe. But I came across this article that appeared today in the opinion page of the Philippine Star. I hope this article provides us all a little breathing space to cool off so we can all resume our free wheeling exchange of ideas with a clear head.

Oleh

CTALK By Cito Beltran
Friday, March 14, 2008
It’s Hebrew, not Spanish.
The word refers to people who have moved or “migrated” to Israel. But unlike immigrants to other countries, Oleh only occurs with people of Jewish ancestry up to the third generation. In a matter of speaking, it’s in the blood and in the heart.
I learned about the concept of “Oleh” from my friend Butch Sarfati who rediscovered his Jewish heritage which resulted in an accidental discovery of the privilege given to people of Jewish descent. The idea was designed to provide a means of reconnecting Jews who were being persecuted and annihilated up to the third generation before and during World War II.
I was surprised to learn that the Philippines under President Manuel Quezon had provided refuge and donated some land he owned to no less than 1,300 Jewish refugees. Through the efforts of the US High Commissioner Paul McNutt and the Jewish Frieder Brothers the refugees were spared from the genocide in Nazi Germany.
From this humanitarian effort sprung a generation of Jewish Filipino families, one of them the family of Butch Sarfati. It may seem strange for a well established certified Pinoy to suddenly embrace all things Jewish, but then again why do Filipinos choose to go home to their beloved “Pinas” after living the longest and probably the best years of their lives in the US, Canada or Europe?
Like an adopted child, Butch found himself seeking and trying to learn more about his “past”, about Jewish culture, the faith and the reality. To be a true “Jew” is no picnic. The requirement upon “citizens” as well as the “faith” are quite exacting and in relative terms difficult. Yet Butch has taken to it as if he had lived as a Jew all his life.
Butch has asked that we try to share the news with the very few remaining third generation “Filipino Jews” who may not even be aware of the privilege of “Aliyah” and “Oleh”.
It is certainly a unique opportunity to have such an open door to reconnect to the past as well as to the faith. Perhaps those who qualify can contact the Israeli embassy for details.

 

Anti-Semitism actually cost the Nazis votes they had to tone it down in there last two election campaigns.

 

robert ludlum would have to look for different material for inspiration.

kidding aside, jews would have fought as they had in ww1, and they would have grown in number after ww2. i don't know how germany's social fabric after the war would have been different. would they have produced another hitler?