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The unit you mention is 2/SAGr 130 (in 1943). Does this mean you are going to get stuff from them?

 

hey Skip the unit emblem is for 2.(F)/706 which then turned into 1./SAGr 125 for not even a month and then finally on 13th of July 1943 2./SAGr 130 based in the Eismeer at Trondheim and Tromsö, then the movement to Trondheim in April of 1944 till wars end....... the unit equipped with the BV 138C-1 with FuG 200 (H), about 9-10 of them. the unit was responsible for KM convoy escort duties and rescuing downed LW pilots as well as shadowing Allied Convoys in relationship to transmitting the proper co-ordinates to existing KM U-Boots in northern waters............. lets just say I have a few photos acquired to show the process plus the unique privelage of just purchasing 3 documents to a pilot of 2.(F)/706 later in 1.(F)/130. He was awarded the EK 1, EK 2, Black wound badge, bronze recon clasp and the silver recon clasp for 60 plus missions flown in the North. I'll see if I can get the three docs scanned in successfully. ah but for now to keep the thread interesting and alive for all to view:

Pilots position, note the helmet, have seen this before haven't we ??



Observers position



this is neat one of about 12 different fotos from the Bundesarchive showing the refueling of a BV 138C-1 of 1.SAGr 130 being refueled the LW working closely with U-Boot personell of U-255. note the cap emblem which shows a fox head.



U-255 frontal view :



Bordfünkers position



and of course more to come . . . .

 

artists rendering of the (same) BV 138 ? I always hold these profiles in some reservation(s)






the question remains whether in 1944 or even on this foto(s) in the autumn of 1943 whether the Gruppe emblem of the Penquin/Telescope was still worn on it's units BV's or relegated to just a personal wall motif and used as a front fender car/truck unit signature.

 

this actually goes with the above foto folks. note the camo netting. wonder just really how effective this would of been.....

 

awesome Erich, the Funkgerät pic is a beauty and yes I recognize the Fliegerhaube we both have at home. Thanks for showing these, it's a real pleasure.

Ps: I still have to scan my Boelcke treasures for you.

 

Finally after 2 years of hoping

 

Just curious if you bought this recently off of the WAF E-Stand?

RR

 

That is correct

 

as I said more .............

BV 138C-1 CO'd by Hptm K-H. Greve, Staffelkäpitan of 2.(F)/130 in October of 43, Norway

 

Two more pics of this particular 1./SAGr 130 BV being refueled by 2 U-boots in the far north. Interesting fuselage camo not carried up along the wings



with relative peace and quiet you can see what an involved set up this is to refuel no way this would happen with Wildcats, Hurricanes or other Allied craft in the air.
The usage of the U-boot and LW BV dingies really play an important role .......

 

interesting was going to post two pics of the rear gunners-upper position armed with a single 13mm. great field of view though it appears exposed. note the swivel mounting not too low to blow off the boom tail on this big heavy boy : Hey Skip does that look like another Fleece-lined Fliegerhaube ??

 

Just purchased Dietrich von Saucken postwar autograph....

 

excellent Kai, does the chap seem to have a head injury at one time ?

~ have one more item to post to go to the above rather lengthy posts on the BV 138C

 

well I cannot seem to get these three documents to load so they will have to do as they are, purchased a time ago but research was needed and that is still ongoing
first one the pilots awarding of the Flight badge



second his advancement of rank from Unteroffizier to Feldwebel while in 2.(F)/706. please notice the change of his last name. signed by the Gruppenkommandeur : Major Hans-Joachim Tantzen



H. Rhode had already received the EK 2 and EK 1 and the Bronze Frontflug-Spange für Aufklärer (someone I personally know wishes he had this) and here is his Clasp document in Silber (Silver) for 60 plus missions flying the BV 138C. Now flying with 1.(F)/130 and again signed by Gruppenkommandeur Tantzen.



Helmut and his crew were wounded in action while on a landing situation (accident) on the 23rd of August 1943. Again I am still doing more research on this experienced pilot and his crew serving out of Norway bases. The LW Kracker Archiv gives the spelling of his last name as Rode. The first documents are in the larger A-5 size while the Recon Clasp is in the smaller A-4 at this time of the war to conserve on paper.

 

Excellent items Erich , very moving too. Is the Frontflug spange a Medal or just a paper award?

 

Skip it is an operational Clasp as in the drawing print at the top of the paper document. that is what it looked like. the Bronze was the first for 20-25 operational flights, Silver for 60 and then Gold for 80 on up and this depended on the Recon unit. then the gold was given a numbered hanger with some receipients going well over 300 flights and still somehow making it through the war. The BV 138 was used really for something not necessarily designed for towards the last 3 months of the war, and that was during the Battles of Kurland and the evacuation of civilian and military from the Ost in the Baltic. The BV 138 by this time in the war had the bugs out of the engines and the slow clunky beast nicked named the Der Fliegende Holzschuh (note the shoe emblem) could only muster on average 150mph but she did well in her support roles.

 

Sounds like one brave fellow. He has a pretty good combat record, and read the story below:

"A cavalry officer who regularly wore both a sword and a monocle, Saucken personified the aristocratic Prussian conservatives who despised the braune Bande (brown mob) of Nazis. When he was ordered to take command of the 2nd Army on March 12, 1945, he came, "his left hand resting casually on his cavalry sabre, his monocle in his eye, von Saucken saluted and gave a slight bow. This was three 'outrages' at once. He had not given the Nazi salute with raised arm and the words 'Heil Hitler', as had been regulation since 20 July 1944, he had not surrendered his weapon on entering....and had kept his monocle in his eye when saluting Hitler" When told by Hitler that he must take his orders from Albert Forster, the Gauleiter (Nazi governor) of Danzig. Saucken "returned Hitler's gaze....and striking the marble slab of the map table with the flat of his hand, he replied 'I have no intention, Herr Hitler, of placing myself under the orders of a Gauleiter'. In doing this he had bluntly contradicted Hitler and not addressed him as Mein Führer. To the surprise of everyone who was present, Hitler capitulated and replied "All right Saucken, keep the command to yourself". Hitler dismissed the General without shaking his hand and von Saucken left the room with the merest hint of a bow."

 

Skip

you were asking about the Front-spange. here is a pic of the Recon clasp in Bronze

 

and the "EYES" of the BV 138C-1 and the other Maritime/Recon LW crafts.

53 lovely pages for you techies like me :

File:Hohentwiel FuG200.pdf - Wikimedia Commons

 

Just came in . This picture was taken at oflag XIII a Nürnberg in February 1941. The reason why it struck me was the eclectic gear of some of the officers which precisely correspond to many of the clothing I have on my own mannequins and shows evidence these combinations existed. Besides the author of the card (the Captain situated fourth on the left, later became a Priest in the city of Orleans). Otherwise the pic is covered with great censor markings from the Kommandantur.






The 2 on the left : 1929 coat with 1929 "mastic" cavalry trousers. Only one officers is wearing a belt.

the guy in the back with the beret has a colonial jacket

the large majority are wearing the latest 1939 one row buttons great coat ((except the one on ehte very right who is wearing a shorte jacket.

Almost all are wearing a cap, except two wh are wearing a colonial or tankist beret.
One man (the bearded one) is a colonial tirailleur and is wearing a Spahi troops chechia.

Most exceptionnal : the man in the middle smoking the pipe wearing laced WWI aviator boots . I have a pair of those too and will now be able to make a WWII mannequin with those.

The barracks look quite comfortable because they were previously made for SA members who took part in the Nürnberg days. They also hosted poles and Belgians but were later assigned to French .