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When the Soldiers Came/Post War Rape

Discussion in 'Post War 1945-1955' started by GRW, Mar 2, 2015.

  1. KJ Jr

    KJ Jr Well-Known Member

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    I agree with you. If one can provide numerous reputable sources on these events I will consider the facts. This reeks of agenda.
     
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    I read the article, and I'm less than impressed. I would like o see her sources, other than interviews with women. Memories can be clouded and some would say anything that would please the interviewer.

    This sums up my feelings pretty well.
     
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    Some feminist would consider sex in any situation "rape" .

    There are numerous websites and articles on the subject that refute the outlandish claims such as 'they came'. Kind of reminds me of that Hitler Escaped book a few years ago.
     
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    I love it when we all agree!!


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    It appears to me that the vast majority of American troops were decent, law abiding people who would not have approved of their reputation being smeared by the rape of German women by their own men. You would have thought therefore that after this period of time, a lot of war diaries and accounts would have recounted these incidents. I have read many first hand accounts of the war which have mentioned some serious misdemeanors by the Allies and they were always condemned with disgust.
     
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    I agree with you. I find it difficult to believe that 70 years later we are now just hearing about 860,000 counts of rape. The author, somehow, is privy to secure documents that prove her outlandish claims. I would like to find more info about the publishing house that is stacking up behind her.
     
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    Don't count your chickens :cool:
     
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    Well, I'm convinced. (Lack sarcasm font on mobile)
     
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    Many jump at the opportunity to say something new/controversial to gain fame and slandering a generation seen as the saviors of Western civilization is one way do it. Couple that with the prominence of third-wave feminism in today's world where the heterosexual white male is perceived as the worst of humanity and you have a bestseller.
     
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    My dad stopped a member of his own platoon from raping a German girl in a barn. And he had to do it at carbine point.
    One of the many reasons I'm proud of him.
     
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    Something to be very proud of Dave55. It would be all too easy to turn a blind eye.
     
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    A recent study indicates that the allied soldiers have raped 190.000, perhaps 285.000 German women after the end of war. I would have trashed that claim out of hand, but the author of the study, Dr. Miriam Gebhardt, is prominent university professor and holds a PhD degree. Her scientific capabilities are indeniable, a PhD degree from German university has its own weight. To me, the idea was unthinkable but obviously, it is true.

    Results of her research study are published in her book entittled:

    Als die Soldaten kamen (Eng. As the Soldiers Came)
    Die Vergewaltigung deutscher Frauen am Ende des Zweiten Weltkriegs
    (The Rape of German Women at the End of World War)


    Here are the links to articles dealing with this sublect, the second article is just in German language:

    Spiegel - Postwar Rape: Were Americans As Bad as the Soviets?


    Deutsche Welle - Zwischen Blumen und Kalaschnikow: Vergewaltigungen nach Kriegsende

    Here is an excerpt from the article published in Der Spiegel Online om March 2nd 2015 describing a rape of 18 years-old-girl:



    The soldiers arrived at dusk. They forced their way into the house and tried to drag the two women upstairs. But Katherine W. and her 18-year-old daughter Charlotte were able to escape.
    The soldiers didn't give up easily though. They began searching all the houses in the area and ultimately found the two women in a neighbor's closet shortly before midnight. The men pulled them out and threw them onto two beds. The crime the six soldiers ultimately committed took place in March, 1945, shortly before the end of World War II. The girl cried for help: "Mama. Mama." But none arrived.
    Hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions, of German women experienced a similar fate at the time. Often, such gang rapes were blamed on Soviet troops in Germany's east. But this case was different. The rapists were soldiers from the United States of America and the crime took place in Sprendlingen, a village near the Rhine River in the west.
     
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    This is a pretty good companion article to the OP:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_by_the_United_States_military#Executions_during_World_War_II_and_postwar

    I think the biggest difference between Russian/Japanese/German rapes was that, when caught, the Allies took care of business and held those responsible accountable for their actions.

    My posting that article in no way shape or form should be taken as my saying that those are the only times US Soldiers committed rape; I am sure there are many many many more that either went unreported or did not result in execution.
     
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    Thanks Tom.

    It appears that our colleagues have trashed the subject as "revisionist" but obviously they do not know how rigorous the Germans are, especially their scientists. If there was anything unfounded in the study, German scientists would have vivisected Dr. Miriam Gebhardt,
    Obviously, debunking the myth of the Allied Knights fighting for Freedom and Democracy needs more time and patience.
    I must admit, I was disapointed at the first h+glance because I was sure that rapes have not happened at such scale and brutality.
     
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    Thanks for the link! :)

    I was astonished by the discrepancy between the official number of rapes (11.000) and recently published 190.000 to 285.000. I wonder how and why that remained unpublished for almost 70 years.
     
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