WWII Forums Quiz Part I

Hot damn - I found it ! In F W A Hobart's 'Pictorial History of the Machine Gun' !

There's even a photo of the thing - looks a bit like a cross between a Bren and an MG42. Thanks Popski - you forced me to research something I'd previously overlooked.

Come on Ron - over to you and the Pacific Theatre.

 

Yes-lets have a Pacific question

 

G'day

OK I'll have a go. Name the two points between which the fist attackwave landed at Guam.
Have a go.

Euro Pop

 

20/7/44 :
3rd Marine Corps landed either side of Port Apra , 1st Prov. Marine Brigade landed between Port Banji & Agat ?

 

G'day

Bull it says so in my book. over to you. Take us around the world, and everyone join in please

Popski

 

Right, a Kursk question.

On the Voronezh front, the last defensible position before the key objective of Oboyan was the Pena River.
On 7th July, 1943, a German Division seized a village and bridge over the Pena, allowing German forces to 'roll up' the Russian front in this sector.

Which Division, and which village ?

 

OH SHOOT!
HA i am always behind here...i'll have to think up a question!...thanks!

 

Soon as the Kursk question is answered you can hit mine...unless you know it!
Which two Japanese battleships took part in the First Naval Battle of Guadalcanal? And which one was sunk?

 

The 'Kirishima' and 'Hei', the 'Hei' being sunk . . . ?

 

Hallo! This is nearly mine!

Martin, there is a little confussion in my mind about your question but I think I am very close now.

Are you sure it is the Pena river? Isn't it the Psep, Psel or Psyel river, southwest of Oboyan?

All this is in Vorozneh's front, we agree. But there are only two rivers here: the Donets and the Psep, Psel, Psyel or whatever. But the Donets is too far from Oboyan. So, it must be the Psyel river, which is the only one and closer to Oboyan. Althought this sector is not mentioned a lot, because of the huge tank battle in Prokhorovka involving the LSSAH.

But, northwest of Prokhorovka is that river an five bridges with several town, in the sector of 3.SS Panzerdivision "Totenkopf" attached to 2. SS Panzerkorps. I will mention the southern bridges along the Psyel, because the 5th is too far away from Oboyan and there was no toen, just a colective farm.
The first is surely the one you are talking about, Martin, because it is the only one with a town in the East side of the river, it is between the town of Kostromka and Kliutschi.
The next towns are in the Western side of the river:
Bridge 2: Yúdénka
Bridge 3: Mikhalovka
Bridge 4: Prelestnoe, Polezhaev.

So? My head is backwards...

 

Hey, it's nice to make you all work !

Not quite, Friedrich - but you're in the right area.
The Pena is a smaller tributary of the Psel River, upon which is Oboyan. So the Pena had to be crossed a long distance south of Oboyan and way,way before Prokhorovka. But after the Pena was good tank country, difficult to defend.
So, the Pena was crossed at ******* by the ****** Division.....???

[ 03 July 2002, 02:49 PM: Message edited by: Martin Bull ]

 

Scheisse!

You are torturing me, Martin, but it is fine, I will answer this now and then this topic will be MINE!!!! And then I will take revenge! Hey, Martin and Ron, you are asking not allowed questions. Be careful or Otto will shoot your feet... He he he!

 

lots of great questions here--and I wish I had more time to try to participate in this thread.

 

Ha ha ha! Loosers! Now it is all mine!!! (Just kidding... I am just very happy).

Martin, as I said it was 3.SS Panzerdivision "Totenkopf" and the little town was Kartaschevka.

God, I'm good! (Or am I not?)

 

Yup that's right. The Kirishima escaped to be sunk a few days later at the 2nd battle of Guadalcanal. The Hiei was badly damaged in the surface engagement. The next morning she was finished off by American bombers.
Well it was nice to have a freebee to get a Pacific theater question in there!...ok you guys can go back to your European war!

[ 03 July 2002, 08:55 PM: Message edited by: Ron ]

 

Friedrich, I'm sure you're right for that part of the battlefield ( north-west of Prokhorovka ).
But my little river crossing happened well south west of Prokhorovka.
Clue - the Division is a Very Well-Known One !
Keep going - it's in one of those books somewhere !

[ 04 July 2002, 02:34 AM: Message edited by: Martin Bull ]

 

G'day

My guess
II/2. LSSAH at Luchki??

Popski

I haven't got a good map of the area so just guessing.

 

Sorry, Popski - that's not it.

Another clue. After the bridge at *** was taken by the *** Division, it was crossed by the 6th Panzer Regiment to attack the Soviet 71st Guards Rifle Division from the rear. . .

 

One last clue . . .

The village was actually reached by the Armoured Reconnaissance Battalion of the *!@? Division under Major Watjen. This force was too weak to take the bridge alone. This was achieved on 9th July together with 6th Panzer Regiment and motor-cyclist riflemen of 3rd Panzer Divn.

The fighting was heavy and important for Operation Citadel. One book I have says : 'Now was the hour of decision'

Now for your decision, everyone. Which Division did that Armoured Recon belong to, and what was the village/bridge ???

( ps : one book I have says this happened on the 7th, another says 9th July. Both are by 'experts'. Must be the 'fog of war'! )

[ 04 July 2002, 05:50 AM: Message edited by: Martin Bull ]

 

Martin, I get confussed every time more and more. Well, Major Watjen commanded 2. Infanterieregiment "Grossdeutschland 2" attached to Panzerdivision "Grossdeutschland". And 6. Panzeregiment belonged to 3. Panzerdivision, both division were supossely attached to XLVIII Panzerkorps, supossely in the northern flank of II SS Panzerkorps. All of them were facing 6th Guards Army in the river Psel area, there was XXII Guards Corps and 71st Guards Rifle Division. All is perfect until there. But NO rivers are South of Prokhorovka except for the Donets in the area of 2.SS Panzerdivision "Das Reich". So,the Psel must have been crossed in the area of 3.SS Panzerdivision "Totenkopf", which was the division along the river. Then what the hell was "Grossdeutschland and 3. Panzerdivision doing in the South between LSSAH and SSDR when they were supossed to be in the northern flank of SST?! Anyway, I could not find any map where a river named Pena or named whatever is southwest of Prokhorovka... I have not been able to sleep... I am not very happy right now.