eating pork and drinking beer will keep one OUT of the cool gardens with the seventy sloe eyed virgins , mafindi ...one must slay the infidels and pray to the east five times daily to attain the true paradise ...and dont forget to see the black rock in mecca ,at least once ...
. I hate mass produced intellectuals who couldn't have an idea by themselves cooked spinach , its revolting AFL footy in general and the swans in particular ( sorry fans ) alcohol free beer , horse piss is probably better P.S. flying tiger : tell your missus to put more fat into it and not to overcook it , alternatively get your boy's buddies to add the magic herb and spice
At least he's being responsible. Which would you prefer, that or the "Dad I've got something to tell you..." conversation? My girls aren't even close to being in (What would be in US) high school yet, but they will be at some point, and I can't pretend I know that will feel like, but I do hope I can trust my daughters to at least ask for protection. In more than some ways I'm impressed with your daughter's boyfriend.
I'm biased against all kinds of faith instead of fact, but mostly I'm anti-Christian. I don't know why I always single out the Christians to pick on, but I do. In real life I'm biased against Communism and even the more extreme Socialist ideas; on the forums, though, I tend to be biased against Capitalism and its great beacon, the United States. Funny kind of twist. Again, I have no idea why this is. In my political views I tend to be moderately leftist. In most debates I am biased towards the dominant interpretation, usually because I have read the most compelling arguments in the direction that interpretation is going. This means I am biased against revisionist historians, conspiracy theorists, and Greeks.
though my mom did attempt to raise me a good roman catholic in my early childhood .....avid reading of history ,world travel and liveing overseas and my dads logical attitude all conspired to make me an agnostic ..i confess a little bit of a smug disdain for ALL religious creeds ..moses did not part the red sea ,mohamed did not own a horse with the face of a lovely woman that could jump seven hundred feet ,there was no ark or noah ,or virgin birth , darwin was correct ,creationism is bullshit..... srtangely while researching serbian war crimes for an argument in this forum , i did get my eyes opened to a very new and needed bias ...thats correct , A NEEDED BIAS ...please all of you read robert spencers jihad watch ..though he is villified by the left and by cair ,ive yet to see anyone counter his logic ...there is not a problem so much with radical islam as there is a problem ( for all of us ) with ISLAM itself ( gasp ...) ..i too was raised with a very pc notion that any racial or religious bias was absolutely taboo ,robert spencer has washed the silly suicidal pc film from my eyes with regards to religion ... (racial bias is still taboo ) ..WAKE UP BOYS AND SMELL THE COFFEE....your world ,our world , depends on it...read this guys points and tell me he is a raciest islamaphobe lunatic ...ricky , btw ..i am much more freindly towards christianity now than before ,all the worlds great religions are not created equal ....read ,read and read some more
Interesting? Darwin himself recanted all his own theories in the last couple of years of his life. If he can't be sure, are you?
Well, we get along just fine, don't we? It's not like I will instantly dislike a person just because he or she is Christian. Besides, the likes of David and yourself are capable of arguing sensibly from both the religious and the secular perspective, so I really can't call either of you zealous bigots... Majorwoody: you're quite right, in a perfect world there would be no monotheism. But it's hardly fair to single out one of them because of its cultural background, while ignoring the equally violent history of others.
whatever darwin may have said to please his very religious wife ,his basic theory of evolution still stands today quite well ...roel there certainly have been some violent christians but jesus did not exhort his followers to slaughter and subjegate all nonchristians and keep their wives and daughters for party time boom boom girls ...christianty was and is mostly spread by unarmed simple liveing missionarys who also often (nowadays ) provide medicine ,food ,tech advice .ect....being schooled in the self loathing west .i too used to think all religions sorta equally guilty...this is a very niaive and ignorant position still clung to by most secular people in the west ..this kind of stupidity was harmless enough in the 60s and 70s it is inexscusable today..a muslim europe is not an improvemnt on todays europe imo....well ,unless you are a muslim already ....and roel , while muslims might disdain dave and ricky as christians , they really really despise secular nonbelivers like you and i with a special murderous prejudice..ricky and dave might get the perpetual warsaw ghetto but you and i roel would likely get katyn forrest..im too old to live long enough to see this eu disaster or face this little walk in the woods , but roel and ricky you are very young...for gods sake ,do something...the head in the sand strategy is not going to pay off ,long term .i dont think....
Methinks we can all agree that zealous bigots, of any stripe, will collect all the bias we can heap on them! Edited for improperly homemade html coding... :roll:
Woody, you always yak on about the muslims and how they're plotting to overthrow the west and enslave us all in their plutonium mines... And I can see why too, I watch the same TV shows you do, I read the same papers, I see all the same articles about Al Queda or the LTTE declaring yet another jihad, against the evil capitalist west... Or another roadside bomb, or another Islamic immigrant raping another poor sweet aryan teenager... Its always the same And yet every Arab I've ever met has been perfectly decent, nice, polite & easy going... Always up for a drink, though it might cost them a virgin or two later on in heaven Really, I've never met any of these jihadist psychos you speak of, I'm not going to hate Arabs just because the TV tells me they are bad and evil... I'll judge for myself and all 100% I have met have been nice guys On the flipside, Aboriginal people... Now it might just be an extraordinary unlucky co-incidence but every one I have ever met has... a) tried to rob me b) tried to beat me up c) begged for money d) thrown petrol at me (that was funny) And yet I get spoonfed crap on the television about their wonderful peaceful multicultural society, with their spiritual dreamtime (which is more often than not induced by substance abuse) But thats OK because we can blame ourselves for that, since its us (the evil invaders) who invented alcohol and forcefed it to them :roll: We blame all their social problems on ourselves, and all in the name of bloody political correctness too... I guess in a way its flattering that we blame the Muslims for the violence in the Middle East... At least we give them a measure of political responsibility in that :roll:
dang ,sorry bout those abos ...on tv they always seem so quiet and thoughtful ...im sure there are nice thoughtful almost secular muslims to be found arround the world ...unfortunatly they never ever are heard to speak out publicly against any islamic barbarity ..why ? because if they consider themselves true muslims they support osama and jihad or if they are western style humanists , who truely oppose killing women and children as bus stops then of course they are back slideing muslims or apostates and are subject to execution at any time ,for a muslim to contradict a cleric or the koran would be very foolhardy indeed ......no argument or discussion is permited ...herein lies the problem ...smeg read spencers arguments and tell me if you think he is all wet and why..many call him names but i dont see him whipped in a debate too much....
As this seems to have slidden into another discussion on Muslims... (majorwoody, is your bias showing? ) Actually there have been such protests (in Britain at least). Going back to Muslims in general... I live in a town with a high Muslim population. All those whom I know socially (or ven just those whom I work with) seem perfectly ordinary human beings, rational, etc etc. Some have slightly strong views on certain things (like alcohol) but otherwise they appear to be a perfectly ordinary bunch of people. And then there are those - particularly the young men - who hang around acting menacing, who yell racist abuse at white people, etc etc. After my first day of school, I apparently came home crying because "the brown boys wouldn't let me play with them". Where I grew up there were areas that you tried to avoid if you were white. Oh, and the women, who seem to come in 2 types - brash and overtly western, or robed and (apparently) timid/scared. The robed ones tend to have very restricted access to the outside world - we have plenty of students who are dropped off at the Uni when their lectures start and collected when they end. I remember a friend of mine from school whom asked if she knew another (male) Muslim friend of mine who lived near her. She said "it's different for girls, we aren't allowed to go out like men are". sorry, I've just had a rant of my own.
You're basically assuming that more moderate Muslims are actually Westernized and in danger of being outcast by their own community. The way you distinguish between Western culture and Islamic culture as absolutes is quite disturbing because, as you can see from the examples brought forward by Ricky and Smeghead, the two really aren't mutually exclusive and there is no endemic good or evil to either of them. Jesus may not have taught his followers to kill the unbelievers but it didn't take those same followers four hundred years to start prosecuting and murdering others, mere decades after their own religion had been legalized. There really is no innocence in monotheism. Demonizing Muslims is a current trend, propagated especially by a self-redefining Christian minority in the West that really ought to take a closer look at themselves and their own history.
Lol...Who should we blame for the violence in the Middle East? Shouldn't those perpetrating the violence be blamed?
It's nonsense IMO to go back to the Crusades in order to try and justify what is happening in the Middle East today. Forget 800-900 years ago and look at what is happening today. Things have changed a tremendous amount in 800 years in the West, Fundamentalist Muslims are following a dogma that hasn't really changed in centuries.
my list [or at least part of it] 1- helpless people, i hate people that just throw up their hands and quit. most welfare types included. at least try to solve the problem before asking for help. 2- most liberals 3- almost all of the hollywood / media elite 4- tree huggers and eco wacos [ not to be confused with true conservationists] 5- stretch limos and the dreamers that have to hire one 6- people that refuse to think about a position or issue but just accept somebody else's view. 7- anti gun people and those that think criminals are just misunderstood and down deep are just like us. 8- anybody that is ignorant of history and civics [ most everybody these days] 9- slow drivers in the fast lane and terrified ones in the snow 10- slobs in general 11- people that will ignore somebody in trouble [ not my flat tire] 12- 99.9% of lawyers and politicians 13- over zealous religion types [ i really don't care what you worship of how you do it, i have my own beliefs and don't need your's] 14- militant gays, bis, lesbians, horse humpers and any other sexual oddballs. do as you will as long as it harms no one but don't do it in the streets and scare the horses and children. don't ask me if its alright and don't expect my approval. i don't want to know. 15- 300 lb chicks in thong swimwear YECHHH
Where did you get the idea that I was justifying anything? I am condemning Muslim and Christian fundamentalists alike. I think this is a slightly more balanced view than the one that sees only deep indoctrinated evil in Muslims but ignores the tunnel-vision ultra-conservatist bigotry of Christians. In both cases, the common variety of believer does you no harm, but the fundamentalist is a dangerous person with dangerous convictions, and whenever he is given power over people the result is bloody. Fundamentalist Christians also follow a dogma that hasn't changed in centuries. In fact, first they made all the rules of their faith a lot harsher, and then they proclaimed that the rules couldn't be changed anymore. Must I bring up the SGP again?
